Church Planter Interviews – Ben Sternke
Bob Hyatt
September 10, 2010

So your church Christ Church, is in Ft Wayne, IN. Tell us a little about Fort Wayne.

Well Ft. Wayne is a pretty blue collar place. It’s fairly traditional and politically conservative. It’s pretty common to see Fox News on the television when you’re going from place to place. It’s very family oriented. I’d say 98% of people I talk to are there because they are living close to family or have moved there because it’s a great place to raise kids. A lot of people went off to college and moved back. It actually has a really strong history of innovation. The television tube was invented here as well as the first pocket calculator. It’s also the birthplace of the NBA. So despite having a somewhat conservative base, it also has this intermingled history of innovation.

Talk to us about when your started planting and your process for starting.

We started with an alternative service or satellite campus in December of 2007. It started in our living room. Slowly, over time, it morphed into an official church plant, having its own entity apart from another church, which really came to fruition between September of 2009 and January of 2010.

Obviously the focus of this blog is more towards the missional church and looking at different church structures. What is the structure of your church? What would the average month look like?

Well, we’ve taken what was a weekly worship service and turned it into a  Missional Community(group of 20-50 people on mission together). So now, we have 2 worship services each month, which are pretty “standard” services. We then have a community meal once a month with some worship elements in it. Then one of the weekends we have a day “out” where we engage in practical ways of serving the community. So currently, that’s how we structure our weekends. We also have Huddles going, which are our vehicle for discipling people every-other week. What we’ve done for the summer is have a kind of “Taster” Huddle, a chance for people to experience what it is and we’ll start our first “official” Huddles in the Fall. We really see these Huddles as being our main engine for discipleship and leadership development.

I think 8 family units will form our first official Huddle that we’d like to see develop leaders to begin several MCs through that development and investment. Before Christmas I’m hoping and praying we’ll be able to multiply into 2-3 MCs that are networked together and gather for two worship services a month. But we’ll see. Sometimes it takes longer than I’m thinking. But we are really trying to structure ourselves for multiplication.

So as you think about the last 12 months of planting, what do you think worked really well?

  • Huddles have really worked for us. I think that was our biggest breakthrough and win for us. We’re starting to see people become like Jesus. I’m not sure we knew how to make disciples before and we are really seeing it happen now.
  • I think another thing was not being shy about asking people for commitment. When we look at the people who have grown the most, the people who committed the most also grew the most. I was naturally sheepish about it at first, but it really seems to have worked. We have 8 very specific things we asked people to commit to, it was a really high bar.
  • We educated people on the regular practices that will help shape and form us for God’s mission. We did it on an individual level, but specifically in our worship services by developing a pretty powerful liturgy. I’d also add that this liturgy has worked even better when it’s been in conjunction with discipleship process and engaging in mission.

In the last 12 months, what hasn’t worked?

  1. In the beginning the leadership was really weighted too much towards consensus. I think we overreacted to authoritarian forms of leadership we saw. We weighted it so far in that direction that we often waited to see vision come from the “community” as a whole and it never really did. I’m not ready to say that it never can…but I may be close. We just kept waiting for everyone to be on board and on the same page and I think we got to a place where someone with vision had to lead and move forward and take people on that journey and then let people see it and get on board.
  2. At first we socially engineered our MCs. We looked at a map and said, “Hey, you know what? You guys all live really close together. Why don’t you start an MC?!” It never quite worked.

What is one failure you experienced and what did you learn from it?

Again, it relates to socially engineering our MCs. Our first iteration of Missional Communities were me more or less saying, “Hey guys, I heard about these things called MCs. They sound pretty awesome. Why don’t we split into two groups, each being an MC, and this could be your mission. Now go lead them!” But they had never seen one or had led or experienced it. When we decided to come back together and have a time where we modeled MC life together for the late spring and summer, one MC breathed a collective sigh of relief. But the other had developed some neat relationships and we asked them to pause so we could really build a foundation of discipleship through Huddle. Then, out of that, we’d launch MCs when leaders had a vision they felt God was giving them.

Ok. Let’s imagine it’s 365 days from now. What needs to be different in your community?

Better developed and equipped leaders. We’re starting to see the first of that in our Huddles, but we need more of it. I’d also like to see the ownership of the vision more widely distributed through the community.

What is the biggest thing God has been teaching you in the past year?

If I had to break it down, it would be this: “Faithfulness to what God is telling me to do is more important than everyone being happy or having everyone like me.”

So let’s think 5 years into the future. What does Christ Church look like? What’s happened?

Well, we want to keep making disciples who make disciples, multiplying MCs into all kinds of neighborhoods and relational networks in Fort Wayne… and see where God takes us. I think it will be a lot like the book of Acts where the Apostles are hearing about things happening in Samaria or Antioch, not because they’ve sent people there specifically, but because people have gone and started something because they are missional disciples. I really believe that can happen for us here in Fort Wayne.

These interviews were originally published on Doug Paul’s blog: http://3dchurchplanter.wordpress.com/

By Bob Hyatt • October 7, 2026
“When God works in us nothing is useless, and nothing is spared.” - Jeannine Brown, Carla Dahl and Wendy Corbin Reuschling, Becoming Whole and Holy “There is no circumstance, no trouble, no testing, that can ever touch me until, first of all, it has gone past God and past Christ, right through to me. If it has come that far, it has come with great purpose, which I may not understand at the moment.” - Alan Redpath Here's something I've noticed about people as they get older: they tend to go one of two ways. They either get sweeter with age or they get crankier. They grow wiser and more like Jesus, or they grow bitter and more like the worst version of themselves. That's because life is formation. Everything we do and everything we go through shapes us one way or the other, mostly depending on how we respond to what happens to us, whether it's extraordinary or completely ordinary. Ministry works the same way. I've watched leaders come out of nearly identical trials in completely different shape. Some come out stronger. Others come out deeply wounded, discouraged, and ready to quit. The difference usually comes down to where they see God in the middle of the struggle, absent or present, and what questions they ask about it. Some ask, "God, why is this happening to me?" Others ask, "God, what could you want to form in me through this?" Both views of God will shape us, and so will both questions. They just shape us in very different directions. In my experience, the most common sin in church leadership is an obsession with numbers and results, paired with neglect of our own souls. On top of that, we rarely stop to notice how those numbers and results, and how ministry itself, are shaping us. So here's my suggestion: stop working so hard to develop your ministry and start noticing that your ministry is developing you. How you handle the realities of church leadership will determine not only what your church becomes but what you become. Leadership and ministry will form you. The only question is: into what? One tool God uses: the fishbowl Some people hesitate to become a pastor because it opens them up to scrutiny, and now and then to outright criticism. When I was a young leader, I hated the "fishbowl effect" of ministry. Everyone was watching me, and my mistakes seemed to count for a lot more than anyone else's. It felt deeply unfair that flaws that wouldn't even register at most people's jobs could cost me my job, my reputation, and my community. Never mind that maybe it bothered me so much because I had such a generous supply of those flaws. After years of living under the steady gaze of critics and cranks, I see the fishbowl differently. These days I actually welcome it. Richard Baxter, a Puritan pastor in the 1600s, put it this way: “While you are as lights set upon a hill, think not to lie hid... do your work as those that remember that the world looks on them... ready to make the worst of all... and to make faults where they cannot find them.”[1] Baxter understood that anyone who calls others to live like Jesus is going to get called out when they don't. His advice? Live like the world is watching, because it is. Some people in your life are ready to yell "Hypocrite!" at the first opportunity, to point out failings they share themselves, and, as Baxter says, even to invent faults when they can't find real ones. And Baxter's fishbowl had a few neighbors peering over the fence. Ours has a livestream, a comment section, and someone screenshotting the announcements. But Baxter goes further. He says we should be glad about it: “As you take yourselves for the lights of the churches, you may expect that men's eyes will be upon you. If other men may sin without observation, so cannot you. And you should thankfully consider how great a mercy this is, that you have so many eyes to watch over you, and so many ready to tell you of your faults; and thus have greater helps than others, at least for restraining you from sin. Though they may do it with a malicious mind, yet you have the advantage of it.” As a Pastor, you have more eyes on you and more people paying attention to how you live. That means you have more help than most in living well and avoiding sin. What some people mean for evil, God means for your good (Genesis 50:20). What looks like a downside of ministry turns out to be a path to maturity, to formation. In practical terms, living your life in front of others pushes you to do what you already know you should do. And it often keeps you out of things you might slide into if nobody were watching. One important caveat: embracing accountability isn't the same as tolerating abuse. Healthy scrutiny sharpens you. A congregant who attacks your spouse or treats your kids like church property is a different problem, and it calls for boundaries, not gratitude. Let's be clear, though: the fishbowl isn't enough on its own. What we're really after is internal: character, a changed heart. But knowing we're living out loud in front of a watching church and a watching world gives us structure, and that structure can help us build the habits and rhythms of holiness we want. As we try to let the heart and character of Christ take deeper root in us, we have the advantage of lots of eyes around us "encouraging" us to stay on the straight and narrow. My sense is that people who embrace this find that, over time, what starts on the outside moves more and more to the inside. Slowly, the choices we make because others are watching become, through habit, real character. Because I know people are watching, I think twice about what I say in public, what I scroll past on my phone, and how I talk to my kids at church or out on the sidewalk in front of the neighbors. More and more, those choices, first made because of an audience, become part of who I am. That's especially true when I treat those moments as kairos [2] moments: times when God breaks in and uses my awareness of a watching world to show me the character He wants to form in me and the choices He'd like me to make. But what if we don't embrace it? What about those who get shipwrecked by moral failure, character flaws, and private sins gone public? People who resent the fishbowl of ministry and the Christian life often end up living one way in public and another in private. It's as if their anger at being scrutinized pushes them into a divided life: they'll play by the rules in public but insist on their own rules in private. Frustrated with the audience around them, so eager to find fault, they forget the true Audience they live before. And as we've all seen from too many spectacular crash-and-burns, the fallout is often devastating. Families, churches, and the reputation of the whole Church take serious damage. Pastors, recognize that your formation is happening, one way or another… and make peace with the fishbowl. It's going to be there whether you like it or not. If you embrace it, you may find it spurring you on toward love and good deeds (Hebrews 10:24) and keeping you clear of the sins that have taken down so many in ministry before you. “You should thankfully consider how great a mercy this is, that you have so many eyes to watch over you.” Let the Holy Spirit use your public life, and every eye watching it, to shape and form you. The fishbowl and the formation of a life in ministry are coming either way. Let them help answer the question: into what? To further explore your own formation through ministry, join us at the Multiply Summit with special guest Rich Villodas this coming February in the Washington, D.C. area! Adapted from Eldership and the Mission of God by Bob Hyatt and J.R. Briggs. [1] Richard Baxter, The Reformed Pastor, London, 1657, p. 21. [2] Kairos is one of the Greek words for time, but it's different from chronos. Chronos is linear, calendar time. Kairos refers to significant moments full of possibility. Here, it means those times when God steps into chronos.
By Bob Hyatt • April 13, 2026
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